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+# TAG Privacy TF - Wed, 30 August 2023
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+Present: Dan, Jeffrey, Nick (& Forest), Don, Robin
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+## TPAC breakout
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+https://github.com/w3ctag/privacy-principles/pull/342
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+## TPAC presentation
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+* Part of https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/ac-agenda.html / Values-based documents.
+* Jeffrey presenting
+* 6 minutes; I'll send slides by next week.
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+## https://github.com/w3ctag/privacy-principles/pull/334
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+Robin: agree with the comments.. next step is to 
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+*Robin to go through it and clean it up*
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+## https://github.com/w3ctag/privacy-principles/pull/326
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+Jeffrey: noting a conflict ... "revoked" - martin complained that information can't be revoked... 
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+Dan: Yes I think that makes sense...
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+Nick: ...does it remove separate principle text of guardaians & wards?...  I guess it's fine.
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+**no objections noted to squashing**
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+**so squashed**
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+## https://github.com/w3ctag/privacy-principles/pull/325
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+Don: I'm concerned we're leaving the surevillance advertising industry an out because they can claim that surveillance advertising / relevant advertising is in the user interest.  You can claim that cross-context behavioral advertising raises web sites' revenue so therefore it's in the user's interest (because they receive more ad-supported content than they would without it)
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+Jeffrey: sometimes we have to balance different user interests...
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+Robin: Some people will always make claims about indirect user benefits and use potentially dubious research in support of that. We can't pre-emptively address bad faith.
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+Dan: is there something we can say about "direct vs. indirect user benefit"...
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+Don: cross-site tracking has multiple effects on the market for web ads, some of the literature only captures one side (higher revenue where a cookie is present than not present) and not the other side (cross-site tracking artificially increases supply of ad inventory by making sites that are harmful to users monetizable)
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+Jeffrey: all of this is separate from the changes in 325... 
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